Comments on: Court Notes - Entry of Plea http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/ Ongoing news as it becomes available related to the murder of Melissa James. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:56:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Phil http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39681 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:00:33 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39681 Kelly's not going home! There is no way! Kelly’s not going home! There is no way!

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39522 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:58:42 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39522 Don't bet on probation for Kelly. Don’t bet on probation for Kelly.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Peter http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39504 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:44:21 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39504 Well, we can check in after sentencing! Well, we can check in after sentencing!

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39489 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:30:36 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39489 PS. I guess this discussion board is about over. For all of you I have been talking to for the last couple years.......will miss ya!!! Pam PS. I guess this discussion board is about over. For all of you I have been talking to for the last couple years…….will miss ya!!!

Pam

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39484 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:08:00 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39484 Ok, well is she doesn't get any additional time then what she has done I will puke. She will just blend back into society and eventually her participation in this will fade from the forefront. Other than not being able to get a job that requires a background check she will probably recover nicely I am afraid. If she is imune to the civil suit does that mean she can sell this story and make a profit? Ok, well is she doesn’t get any additional time then what she has done I will puke. She will just blend back into society and eventually her participation in this will fade from the forefront. Other than not being able to get a job that requires a background check she will probably recover nicely I am afraid. If she is imune to the civil suit does that mean she can sell this story and make a profit?

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39478 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:00:04 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39478 CT getting 1st degree kinapping as well as 2nd degree murder I bet means she'll give him 25 for the 2nd degree murder and 10 or more for 1st degree kidnapping. Ct will have a chance to get out, but only when he's 60 or 65 yrs old. He for sure won't be out under 25. CT getting 1st degree kinapping as well as 2nd degree murder
I bet means she’ll give him 25 for the 2nd degree murder and 10 or more
for 1st degree kidnapping. Ct will have a chance to get out, but only
when he’s 60 or 65 yrs old. He for sure won’t be out under 25.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39477 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:57:50 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39477 I have a feeling that Kelly is going to get off with probation. This has all been worked out in judges chambers. I have a feeling that Kelly is going to get off
with probation.

This has all been worked out in judges chambers.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39459 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:17:01 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39459 Peter, That's about right, I would imagine. I often wonder though, how difficult it is for felons to blend back into life after heinous crimes and reduced sentences? CT will thrive in the gen-pop, no doubt - as he has now several times - and he knew Kelly wouldn't. I still think it will be interesting to see if she will be able to visit him in prison, having been convicted of a felony. I wonder how long her religious affiliations with God will last? Will her family embrace her? Will they still all ski at Heavenly each winter? Will she ever be able to get her nails done again without thinking of the FBI raid? Will she still look in her glasses and wonder if there is morphine in them? So many questions.... Peter,
That’s about right, I would imagine. I often wonder though, how difficult it is for felons to blend back into life after heinous crimes and reduced sentences?
CT will thrive in the gen-pop, no doubt - as he has now several times - and he knew Kelly wouldn’t.

I still think it will be interesting to see if she will be able to visit him in prison, having been convicted of a felony.

I wonder how long her religious affiliations with God will last? Will her family embrace her? Will they still all ski at Heavenly each winter? Will she ever be able to get her nails done again without thinking of the FBI raid? Will she still look in her glasses and wonder if there is morphine in them?

So many questions….

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Peter http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39454 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:36:24 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39454 Dear OTFC, Her lawyer is asking for, and I quote: "probation". I agree with you - I too hope she gets at least 10. Time served means 7. Good behavior? Out in 3.5? KT? Well, in most states, you need to serve 85% of your sentence for 2nd degree murder. If CT gets 25, he'll likely serve 17, minus time served. He'll be 57 when he gets out. He'll be broke forever in the USA if not because he's a felon, but he'll lose the Civil suit now of course. I suppose he could one day end up in Greece, where he wanted to escape in the first place. Philosophically, the worst is over for those two. Now CT can be let out of solitary, can mix in gen-pop, get a prison job and know there's an end in site. KR will have a life and even sex again. But they'll be forever outcasts. I am looking forward to the sentencing. Shock brought up some good points vis a vis the Civil case. P Dear OTFC,

Her lawyer is asking for, and I quote: “probation”. I agree with you - I too hope she gets at least 10. Time served means 7. Good behavior? Out in 3.5? KT? Well, in most states, you need to serve 85% of your sentence for 2nd degree murder. If CT gets 25, he’ll likely serve 17, minus time served. He’ll be 57 when he gets out. He’ll be broke forever in the USA if not because he’s a felon, but he’ll lose the Civil suit now of course. I suppose he could one day end up in Greece, where he wanted to escape in the first place.

Philosophically, the worst is over for those two. Now CT can be let out of solitary, can mix in gen-pop, get a prison job and know there’s an end in site. KR will have a life and even sex again.

But they’ll be forever outcasts.

I am looking forward to the sentencing. Shock brought up some good points vis a vis the Civil case.

P

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39449 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:37:52 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39449 peter, well i hope kelly does more than 3 years for this. I hope the judge sees that. If ct gets 25 how much of it will he really have to do? peter,
well i hope kelly does more than 3 years for this. I hope the judge sees that. If ct gets 25 how much of it will he really have to do?

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Peter http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39448 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:16:43 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39448 Now Judge Glass has the opportunity to be, as CT dumbly put it, "mean". KR tasered her. CT bodyslammed her and killed her. They're both equally guilty as far as I'm concerned. Now Judge Glass has the opportunity to be, as CT dumbly put it, “mean”.

KR tasered her. CT bodyslammed her and killed her. They’re both equally guilty as far as I’m concerned.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Peter http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39446 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:03:07 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39446 In 3 years, Kelly Ryan will be working as a stripper. I think CT will get 25 years. In 3 years, Kelly Ryan will be working as a stripper. I think CT will get 25 years.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39439 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:04:32 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39439 shock, thanks got my answer from the previous post. i too will be sick if she walks. lets hope the judge has the sense to give her the max for participating in burning the body at least. Ugh......I would hope that if she gets out her career is over. shock,
thanks got my answer from the previous post. i too will be sick if she walks. lets hope the judge has the sense to give her the max for participating in burning the body at least. Ugh……I would hope that if she gets out her career is over.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39438 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:59:05 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39438 i live in colorado and here if you get 10 years you can get out in less than half that time. I think around 1/3 of that time. Is that the same in NV? I am kind of sicked that Kelly is getting off that easy. How much time does she really face? i live in colorado and here if you get 10 years you can get out in less than half that time. I think around 1/3 of that time. Is that the same in NV? I am kind of sicked that Kelly is getting off that easy. How much time does she really face?

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39421 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:56:28 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39421 Peter, I agree with you wholeheartedly - not about the length you specify but about time given in general. They leveraged Craig's plea to reduce hers down to almost nothing. While both arson and battery are serious charges, they are nothing by comparison. To have gone from "first degree murder" to arson and battery resulting in severe bodily harm, using an Alford plea (not admitting guilt, but admitting that the state has enough evidence to convict you on that charge), seems very light indeed. I also wonder if the Alford attachment allows her to get off scot free at the civil trial? I imagine that was slipped in by Cristalli, and then subsequently approved by Maura James without her consulting with her civil attorney, to allow Kelly never to have to pay restitution if she is found guilty in a civil proceeding. Again, just because she pled this out, doesn't mean she is not going to continue to be named in the civil proceeding. However, she will likely not face the same responsibility/ culpability in this matter because Kelly Ryan no longer has responsibility in the death of Melissa James. The Alford plea is now icing on the cake with all of it. Peter,
I agree with you wholeheartedly - not about the length you specify but about time given in general. They leveraged Craig’s plea to reduce hers down to almost nothing.

While both arson and battery are serious charges, they are nothing by comparison.

To have gone from “first degree murder” to arson and battery resulting in severe bodily harm, using an Alford plea (not admitting guilt, but admitting that the state has enough evidence to convict you on that charge), seems very light indeed.

I also wonder if the Alford attachment allows her to get off scot free at the civil trial? I imagine that was slipped in by Cristalli, and then subsequently approved by Maura James without her consulting with her civil attorney, to allow Kelly never to have to pay restitution if she is found guilty in a civil proceeding.

Again, just because she pled this out, doesn’t mean she is not going to continue to be named in the civil proceeding. However, she will likely not face the same responsibility/ culpability in this matter because Kelly Ryan no longer has responsibility in the death of Melissa James.

The Alford plea is now icing on the cake with all of it.

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Old Time Fitness Competitor http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39406 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:28:25 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39406 oh, one more thing......what about anthony gross??? oh, one more thing……what about anthony gross???

]]> Comment on Court Notes - Entry of Plea by: Peter http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39399 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:29:24 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2008/05/31/court-notes-entry-of-plea/#comment-39399 Ryan seems to have gotten off easy. He actions too resulted in Melissa's death. 2-15 years? Give both of them 25+ years. Ryan seems to have gotten off easy. He actions too resulted in Melissa’s death. 2-15 years? Give both of them 25+ years.

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