Comments on: ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/ Ongoing news as it becomes available related to the murder of Melissa James. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:19:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18836 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:14:14 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18836 Well, when they appear to run (according to police), ask friends to sell their houses (and buy them) and lie repetedly, I would be a fool at least not to question anything other as well. If the case was so cut and dry, I don't think I'd be here writing. Well, when they appear to run (according to police), ask friends to sell their houses (and buy them) and lie repetedly, I would be a fool at least not to question anything other as well. If the case was so cut and dry, I don’t think I’d be here writing.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: related http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18830 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:26:00 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18830 Insiderx Craig has always been a hot head, It runs in the family with the male's. And he was self centered!!!! Insiderx Craig has always been a hot head, It runs in the family with the male’s. And he was self centered!!!!

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: InsiderX http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18801 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:15:49 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18801 OK then why is everybody accusing Craig of murder? Chainsaw said that Melissa had heroin in her body. That is a fact. She has a very extensive history of drug use. I don't know why everybody is guilty guilty guilty. I think it is horrible misjudgement by both Craig and Kelly. Everybody hates Craig but why? His whole persona was the bad boy of bodybuilding.. I doubt this is how he really was in life. He was trying to make a buck by displaying that type of attitude. And I think he would have just used his bare hands to murder her he didn't have to strangle her and whatever. Kelly is another story. I think she looks more guilty than Craig. This is what I think. Craig and Kelly were both on Meth and that is why they burned the car. That's it. Horrible judgement by them. And I was wrong about the ego maybe a little sensitive though. I was joking guys lighten up. Thanks XXX OK then why is everybody accusing Craig of murder? Chainsaw said that Melissa had heroin in her body. That is a fact. She has a very extensive history of drug use. I don’t know why everybody is guilty guilty guilty. I think it is horrible misjudgement by both Craig and Kelly. Everybody hates Craig but why? His whole persona was the bad boy of bodybuilding.. I doubt this is how he really was in life. He was trying to make a buck by displaying that type of attitude. And I think he would have just used his bare hands to murder her he didn’t have to strangle her and whatever. Kelly is another story. I think she looks more guilty than Craig. This is what I think. Craig and Kelly were both on Meth and that is why they burned the car. That’s it. Horrible judgement by them.

And I was wrong about the ego maybe a little sensitive though. I was joking guys lighten up.

Thanks

XXX

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18798 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:07:47 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18798 insiderx, Without knowing all the facts and what all evidence has been collected, one cant really say how a defense attorney would proceed. We know what saggese has been saying; I got an innocent client", well, fine. We will see how he refutes the evidence. I will say this, if it was me, I dont get CT anywhere near the witness stand. I do not think he will be well liked, and besides, it is too big of a risk. If he takes the stand he is subject to cross, and will get hammered. He has the right not to have to testify, and he should take a seat. By the way, there are no big egos here. Not sure why you would think that. d* insiderx,

Without knowing all the facts and what all evidence has been collected, one cant really say how a defense attorney would proceed.

We know what saggese has been saying; I got an innocent client”, well, fine.

We will see how he refutes the evidence.

I will say this, if it was me, I dont get CT anywhere near the witness stand. I do not think he will be well liked, and besides, it is too big of a risk. If he takes the stand he is subject to cross, and will get hammered. He has the right not to have to testify, and he should take a seat.

By the way, there are no big egos here. Not sure why you would think that.

d*

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18793 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:31:38 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18793 InsiderX: Here is another honest answer.... In this situation, I really think I would have to GET IT on with Daskas, and Wing IT! InsiderX:

Here is another honest answer…. In this situation, I really think I would have to GET IT on with Daskas, and Wing IT!

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18770 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:13:53 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18770 Insiderx: I don't know, I firmly believe I haven't been told all the evidence and I would need to see it before I can make a call. However, things that concern me is the actual amount of Monocetyl Morphine found in MJs Blood. That can only be found through Heroin injestion of some sort. So, there is a small possibility that she did die of an O.D. Insiderx: I don’t know, I firmly believe I haven’t been told all the evidence and I would need to see it before I can make a call. However, things that concern me is the actual amount of Monocetyl Morphine found in MJs Blood. That can only be found through Heroin injestion of some sort.

So, there is a small possibility that she did die of an O.D.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: InsiderX http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18722 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:01:00 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18722 Hey Darkstar I'm sorry for being an asshole... Can we please move on? I didn't know I was dealing with such giant egos. Hey Darkstar and Chainsaw If you were Craig's and Kelly's defense lawyer how would you defend the impossible? Darkstar is saying for Craig not to take the stand. I'm not saying that if he takes the stand he is going to get off. I'm just saying that if he doesn't saying anything he's done. That's it. I don't care what Saggesse says, what drug addiction experts they bring in, Titus is going to have to explain. I know Daskas will rip him a new one but what the hell Craig has had over a year and half to prepare for the trial. If he doesn't say anything he's screwed. I mean I would at least try and explain... Ya everybody knows there guilty as he is but hey a jury can always change... you never know what is going to happen HOW WOULD YOU GUYS DEFEND HIM??!?! thanks XXX Hey Darkstar I’m sorry for being an asshole… Can we please move on? I didn’t know I was dealing with such giant egos.

Hey Darkstar and Chainsaw

If you were Craig’s and Kelly’s defense lawyer how would you defend the impossible? Darkstar is saying for Craig not to take the stand. I’m not saying that if he takes the stand he is going to get off. I’m just saying that if he doesn’t saying anything he’s done. That’s it. I don’t care what Saggesse says, what drug addiction experts they bring in, Titus is going to have to explain. I know Daskas will rip him a new one but what the hell Craig has had over a year and half to prepare for the trial. If he doesn’t say anything he’s screwed. I mean I would at least try and explain… Ya everybody knows there guilty as he is but hey a jury can always change… you never know what is going to happen

HOW WOULD YOU GUYS DEFEND HIM??!?! thanks

XXX

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Venice http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18697 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:26:07 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18697 Shock: Very good comparison to this case. My guess is Gross is going to get a very lenient sentence, if any sentence at all...he's been very cooperative and I think he's been very smart about how he's handled things - after his initially stupidity of getting involved. He has a lot of wiggle room - can say Craig threatened him once he showed up etc...do I think he has some culpability - absolutely - do I think it will stick? Maybe not. Shock:

Very good comparison to this case.

My guess is Gross is going to get a very lenient sentence, if any sentence at all…he’s been very cooperative and I think he’s been very smart about how he’s handled things - after his initially stupidity of getting involved. He has a lot of wiggle room - can say Craig threatened him once he showed up etc…do I think he has some culpability - absolutely - do I think it will stick? Maybe not.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18663 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:22:51 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18663 BTW, Friday night I saw a show about just such a case on one of the news magazine shows that feature heinous crimes - not sure which one but a legitimate one on the networks, not an E Channel or CourtTV special. Anyhow... Same sort of deal. Girl 1 who was bi, liked another girl and her best BFF (a guy) and when Girl 2 rebuffed her and went for Girl 1's BFF, Girl 1 got super pissed off. In the midday of a school week, she had Girl 2 in the back of her car, plus BFF and another guy. The other random guy got out at Girl 1's insistence when he didn't like how verbally abusive Girl 1 was getting to Girl 2 - wasn't his scene. She said "get out" he said "ok" and then it was just Girl 1, 2, and BFF. Girl 2 was in the backseat. One of the two girls threw a punch or pulled hair and the free for all in the car began - parked - and pretty soon, BFF, who was so controlled by Girl 1 and essentially chose between the two at that moment, held Girl 2's hands down so Girl 1 could beat her harder. He even took off his belt and gave it to Girl 1 so she could tighten it around Girl 2's neck. She went limp on the seat - was dead - and they freaked. Well, same deal... they wanted to dispose of the body, so went to her grandmother's farm (lots of acreage out of the way) and tried to bury her and burn her body. It was frozen still, and she wouldn't burn. So they called their friend to hack her up because he was a goth dude into blood and gore. He cut off her arms and head and put them in a bag and they took that to another park and buried it. Finally, BFF told his parents the truth about this girl who was missing - within 2 days - and led the police to the site. Here's how it stacked up for HIGH SCHOOLERS, folks: Girl 1: 25 to life Girl 2: Dead and dismembered BFF: 16 years to life for involvement passively but concealing and being there at the scene of the crime and helping in the end, make sure it happened. Goth dude: 5 to 15 for dismembering a dead body/ helping dispose of a dead body and not being in on it. Anthony Gross may be in for more if they can prove he KNEW it was Melissa's body - and you can bet Titus blabbed that night and told him if he told the Megan Foley Even if Titus was covering for Kelly and jumped in during the taser action to beat her up, etc.... with his past record, he'll definitely get 20+ years. Kelly will get 25 to life if she is found to be that involved. So for you guys who think this won't end badly for them, you just have to look at what happened to TEENS!! These people being in their 30s and 40s aren't going to get any leniency. BTW,
Friday night I saw a show about just such a case on one of the news magazine shows that feature heinous crimes - not sure which one but a legitimate one on the networks, not an E Channel or CourtTV special.

Anyhow…
Same sort of deal. Girl 1 who was bi, liked another girl and her best BFF (a guy) and when Girl 2 rebuffed her and went for Girl 1’s BFF, Girl 1 got super pissed off. In the midday of a school week, she had Girl 2 in the back of her car, plus BFF and another guy. The other random guy got out at Girl 1’s insistence when he didn’t like how verbally abusive Girl 1 was getting to Girl 2 - wasn’t his scene. She said “get out” he said “ok” and then it was just Girl 1, 2, and BFF.

Girl 2 was in the backseat. One of the two girls threw a punch or pulled hair and the free for all in the car began - parked - and pretty soon, BFF, who was so controlled by Girl 1 and essentially chose between the two at that moment, held Girl 2’s hands down so Girl 1 could beat her harder. He even took off his belt and gave it to Girl 1 so she could tighten it around Girl 2’s neck. She went limp on the seat - was dead - and they freaked.

Well, same deal… they wanted to dispose of the body, so went to her grandmother’s farm (lots of acreage out of the way) and tried to bury her and burn her body. It was frozen still, and she wouldn’t burn. So they called their friend to hack her up because he was a goth dude into blood and gore. He cut off her arms and head and put them in a bag and they took that to another park and buried it.

Finally, BFF told his parents the truth about this girl who was missing - within 2 days - and led the police to the site.

Here’s how it stacked up for HIGH SCHOOLERS, folks:
Girl 1: 25 to life
Girl 2: Dead and dismembered
BFF: 16 years to life for involvement passively but concealing and being there at the scene of the crime and helping in the end, make sure it happened.
Goth dude: 5 to 15 for dismembering a dead body/ helping dispose of a dead body and not being in on it.

Anthony Gross may be in for more if they can prove he KNEW it was Melissa’s body - and you can bet Titus blabbed that night and told him if he told the Megan Foley

Even if Titus was covering for Kelly and jumped in during the taser action to beat her up, etc…. with his past record, he’ll definitely get 20+ years.
Kelly will get 25 to life if she is found to be that involved.

So for you guys who think this won’t end badly for them, you just have to look at what happened to TEENS!! These people being in their 30s and 40s aren’t going to get any leniency.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18658 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:03:42 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18658 Bates forgot to tell her that God in her life means she has a LOT MORE WORK to do than she ever did before. She has to set the record straight not be a martyr. She has to grow up and do the right thing, and say what her part was, and not try to protect Public Enemy #1, Craig Titus - who, by the way, she'll never ever see again in this life in any private or intimate moment. Boy, this Bates guy did her a disservice.. not because she shouldn't have a relationship with God, but she should have one that is REALISTIC and doesn't turn her into a Stepford Bible Toter. That's just sad. Bates is one of those fundamental Christians that everyone knows is an idiot, who can't live in the real world without quoting scriputure every five seconds. SAD! Sorry, but the God of my learning/ understanding (and this is Episcopal school talking) doesn't want a flock as automatons - He wants a flock of individuals who live truth fearlessly, not LIVE like a zombie quoting scripture 24/7 and out of touch with reality! This kind of religious advocacy is pathetic Bates forgot to tell her that God in her life means she has a LOT MORE WORK to do than she ever did before. She has to set the record straight not be a martyr. She has to grow up and do the right thing, and say what her part was, and not try to protect Public Enemy #1, Craig Titus - who, by the way, she’ll never ever see again in this life in any private or intimate moment. Boy, this Bates guy did her a disservice.. not because she shouldn’t have a relationship with God, but she should have one that is REALISTIC and doesn’t turn her into a Stepford Bible Toter.

That’s just sad. Bates is one of those fundamental Christians that everyone knows is an idiot, who can’t live in the real world without quoting scriputure every five seconds. SAD! Sorry, but the God of my learning/ understanding (and this is Episcopal school talking) doesn’t want a flock as automatons - He wants a flock of individuals who live truth fearlessly, not LIVE like a zombie quoting scripture 24/7 and out of touch with reality!

This kind of religious advocacy is pathetic

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Disgusted http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18654 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:45:43 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18654 Actually it's probably Saggese's plan...after he gets paid. Actually it’s probably Saggese’s plan…after he gets paid.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18652 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:34:54 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18652 d* He claims that he is. Of course when she hangs herself, he'll say "that was Gods plan for her." d*

He claims that he is. Of course when she hangs herself, he’ll say “that was Gods plan for her.”

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18591 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:11:24 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18591 Chain, Is Bates the reason behind Kelly getting religion? Yikes! Beware of false prophets, Kelly. To every thing there is a season...and now is the season to get a lawyer... d* Chain,

Is Bates the reason behind Kelly getting religion? Yikes!
Beware of false prophets, Kelly. To every thing there is a season…and now is the season to get a lawyer…

d*

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18561 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:16:45 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18561 Shock, We can attribute KR's state of mind partially, if not fully to Mr. Bates, Would you not agree? InsiderX: Opinions is what we are all here for, to bounce things off eachother. I'm just simply asking that if you have a disagreement with someone, please be more tactful. Emotions sometimes run, but we all have somewhat kept this place pleasant, and you're comments are welcome, but finger pointing and name calling (and I have been guilty of that several times as well) should be avoided if possible. Shock,

We can attribute KR’s state of mind partially, if not fully to Mr. Bates, Would you not agree?

InsiderX:

Opinions is what we are all here for, to bounce things off eachother. I’m just simply asking that if you have a disagreement with someone, please be more tactful. Emotions sometimes run, but we all have somewhat kept this place pleasant, and you’re comments are welcome, but finger pointing and name calling (and I have been guilty of that several times as well) should be avoided if possible.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18447 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:12:43 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18447 Shock, I also cannot understand where Kelly's head is at these days. Denue tried to help her, warn her, plead with her, but all for naught it appears. Now, with the court ruling no go on Cristalli repping her, what happens now? Will Saggese rep the both of them? Is that even possible? Unless she wakes up and starts to help herself, her experience in the lion's den will be a 180 from that of old Daniel... d* Shock,

I also cannot understand where Kelly’s head is at these days. Denue tried to help her, warn her, plead with her, but all for naught it appears.

Now, with the court ruling no go on Cristalli repping her, what happens now? Will Saggese rep the both of them? Is that even possible?

Unless she wakes up and starts to help herself, her experience in the lion’s den will be a 180 from that of old Daniel…

d*

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18446 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:05:58 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18446 Hey InsiderX, You may know something about the case, but it is clear from your bloviating that you know nothing about the law. You also make gross assumptions about people here whom you know nothing about. So, if you were advising CT, you would have him hop up on the stand and tell how it really happened, eh? Fine. That works both ways. If he gets up there (which I highly doubt) the DA will have a freakin' field day on cross, and CT will be shredded. Either way, he is done, regardless. You been watching too many TV shows... d* Hey InsiderX,

You may know something about the case, but it is clear from your bloviating that you know nothing about the law. You also make gross assumptions about people here whom you know nothing about.

So, if you were advising CT, you would have him hop up on the stand and tell how it really happened, eh? Fine.

That works both ways. If he gets up there (which I highly doubt) the DA will have a freakin’ field day on cross, and CT will be shredded. Either way, he is done, regardless.

You been watching too many TV shows…

d*

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: InsiderX http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18437 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:38:26 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18437 Hey Darkstar and Chainsaw, I'm not putting down anybody. I am offering my opinion. That is what I think. It is not offensive. Ya I'm new, but I know a lot about the case. Don't get on your pedastal and scrutinize me just because I speak up. If you think Craig can not take the stand and get off the charges your crazy. He has to explain what happened and why he did what he did. Or else he's done. So get over it Cochran and Durshowitz. XXX Hey Darkstar and Chainsaw,

I’m not putting down anybody. I am offering my opinion. That is what I think. It is not offensive. Ya I’m new, but I know a lot about the case. Don’t get on your pedastal and scrutinize me just because I speak up. If you think Craig can not take the stand and get off the charges your crazy. He has to explain what happened and why he did what he did. Or else he’s done. So get over it Cochran and Durshowitz.

XXX

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Venice http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18364 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:06:27 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18364 Shock: Your words ring true. The dynamic of her relationship with Denue is fascinating. What does a person do, when they know they are guilty? When they know they may have taken their last breath as a free person. Do you try to convince yourself otherwise? Do you try to make a pact with God..."just give me my freedom and I will do such and such"... How do you keep yourself going...how do you live with the guilt. Shock:

Your words ring true.

The dynamic of her relationship with Denue is fascinating.

What does a person do, when they know they are guilty?

When they know they may have taken their last breath as a free person.

Do you try to convince yourself otherwise?

Do you try to make a pact with God…”just give me my freedom and I will do such and such”…

How do you keep yourself going…how do you live with the guilt.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18328 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:50:55 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18328 I think it's pretty sad when you are a woman who is either so stupid you don't know how to help yourself, or such a damn martyr, you're an idiot, that an attorney is actually trying to save you from yourself - with no apparent personal gain at this point. Denue is actually blocking this to drive a message home to Kelly who is apparently so far gone, she can't make a sound decision. Folks, I know you might disagree, but this is the essence of TRUE LEGAL ADVOCACY! This God thing is what is getting in her way - she believes that because she has such a strong faith in God now (based on the letter she sent me) that she doesn't have to do ANYTHING to help herself. She is missing the "footwork" part of it all - that you MUST do your own footwork for any God to help you in your situation. I think she's missed a step in there somewhere, thinking it's "going to magically turn out okay" - as if she's in the ring with the lions and if God loves her he'll save her in the end. He ain't gonna. This is pitiful. I think it’s pretty sad when you are a woman who is either so stupid you don’t know how to help yourself, or such a damn martyr, you’re an idiot, that an attorney is actually trying to save you from yourself - with no apparent personal gain at this point. Denue is actually blocking this to drive a message home to Kelly who is apparently so far gone, she can’t make a sound decision. Folks, I know you might disagree, but this is the essence of TRUE LEGAL ADVOCACY!

This God thing is what is getting in her way - she believes that because she has such a strong faith in God now (based on the letter she sent me) that she doesn’t have to do ANYTHING to help herself. She is missing the “footwork” part of it all - that you MUST do your own footwork for any God to help you in your situation. I think she’s missed a step in there somewhere, thinking it’s “going to magically turn out okay” - as if she’s in the ring with the lions and if God loves her he’ll save her in the end.
He ain’t gonna.

This is pitiful.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: related http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18268 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:32:26 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18268 Knew Them, Ive known craig all my life, and if there is one thing I know for sure. The boy is not that smart or he wouldnt be where he is today. Knew Them, Ive known craig all my life, and if there is one thing I know for sure. The boy is not that smart or he wouldnt be where he is today.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: related http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18264 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:11:29 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18264 Knew Them, Craig is not that bright!!!!! You give him to much credit. Let's face it, if he was so smart, do you really think he would be in jail??? Knew Them, Craig is not that bright!!!!! You give him to much credit. Let’s face it, if he was so smart, do you really think he would be in jail???

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: KNEW THEM http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18213 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:44:28 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18213 Hey Related: Craig has a jailhouse law degree; I doubt he will screw himself with HIS words.(Maybe Saggese will though!) Hey Related: Craig has a jailhouse law degree; I doubt he will screw himself with HIS words.(Maybe Saggese will though!)

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: related http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18189 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:56:03 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18189 KR is not going to have to turn on him, He will screw himself with that Titus big mouth of his, trust me I know for a fact. KR is not going to have to turn on him, He will screw himself with that Titus big mouth of his, trust me I know for a fact.

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18181 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:04:17 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18181 I can appreciate almost everyones statements: however, d* has been here from day one, and a pace has been set for how this civil discussion is formatted. If you have a disagreement, state it, and it will be taken and responded to. But if you have statements that insult someone that has been here for a year or more discussing logically this case, and you are new, have a little more respect for the format of this site please. We all don't know who eachother is here, d* could be daskas or Saggase for all I know, but he's not stupid nor taking sides. I can say that for many (consistent) posters without naming them personally. Go to Freecraigtitus.com if you want to spew hatred. This is definately not the place for you. (you know whom I am speaking of. and not just one person!) I can appreciate almost everyones statements: however,
d* has been here from day one, and a pace has been set for how this civil discussion is formatted. If you have a disagreement, state it, and it will be taken and responded to. But if you have statements that insult someone that has been here for a year or more discussing logically this case, and you are new, have a little more respect for the format of this site please.

We all don’t know who eachother is here, d* could be daskas or Saggase for all I know, but he’s not stupid nor taking sides. I can say that for many (consistent) posters without naming them personally.

Go to Freecraigtitus.com if you want to spew hatred. This is definately not the place for you. (you know whom I am speaking of. and not just one person!)

]]> Comment on ARGUMENT AND DECISION: CONFLICT COUNSEL (TITUS & RYAN) by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18178 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:24:40 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/03/22/argument-and-decision-conflict-counsel-titus-ryan/#comment-18178 InsiderX, Go screw yourself. You are just proving what a moron you are. Quit acting like a doctor as if you know fact one about medicine, and shut your idiotic pie hole. "If it was you..." yeah right...you would be on a fast train to the state pen. CT doesnt have to do squat. He has to prove ZERO. If he decides on his own volition and against the advice of his attorney to take the stand, he is still twice as smart as you, but it will also expose him for the putz that he is. Just like you. d* InsiderX,

Go screw yourself. You are just proving what a moron you are. Quit acting like a doctor as if you know fact one about medicine, and shut your idiotic pie hole.

“If it was you…” yeah right…you would be on a fast train to the state pen.

CT doesnt have to do squat. He has to prove ZERO. If he decides on his own volition and against the advice of his attorney to take the stand, he is still twice as smart as you, but it will also expose him for the putz that he is.

Just like you.

d*

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