Doesnt mean shit to a tree…unless those 4 people get subpoened and testify in court, it didnt happen in the eyes of the law…its hearsay on top of hearsay…

d*

It is one of the earliest threads from 2006 here, some girl rambles on sayin there are 4 people ot say she was doin dope at KR’s retirement party ect ect ect. could be b.s, but check it out.

We will see, I guess…

People can talk shit all they want outside of court, but we will see how it shakes down when this thing finally gets going.

Not sure what you meant, re where Megan poses somewhere?

Not sure what the relevance is of her posing on some site to what she was told by KR or CT…

This is turning into a huge clusterf***…

d*

With all the witnesses sayin she is a junkie coke whore that poses on the interne eating snacth(I read that on this sight, don’t know for fact, but seems feasable), “if that can be admitted if the judge lets it”, she will be torn apart. Especially if CT invested in this kind of behaviour, and she has an ax to grind.

Just because CT got MJ a hotel room and paid for a plane ticket doesnt prove his state of mind…sure the defense will argue it does, but it is what happened after, at the house, that will carry the most water. The hotel room and plane ticket were bought what, at least a couple three days before MJ was killed. Plenty of time for “other mindsets” to be formed.

I agree, Amanda Polk will be a key witness. I dont think it will be as simple as you say, re Megan and whether she was “taking drugs with CT and KR” that night…the defense may hammer on that, but I dont think it will make the case for the defense.

d*

Titus must die!

I don’t know either of them… I’m intrigued what you have to say. We’ll see!

All Saggase has to say to Megan Foley is this, did you do drugs with CT and KR the night you went to their house. She is going to say no, but who would hang around for 3 hrs, say they never watched a movie. Does anyone here really believe that story?

Amanda Polk seems like the most believable. Discuss.

I think if you simply read the archives here you will get as much “concise conjecture” as you would ever want.

Let’s face it, if you want “concise” one would have had to be there when it went down…However, if you want “conjecture”, you have come to the right place…

d*

NO!

-Dennis

If Saggese comes out swaggering and talking shit like he has so far, the jury will take offense and they will turn him off. They will come to see Saggese as an extension of CT, and will not buy into a thing he says.

Im sure Saggese will attack the states witnesses…however, if they testify truthfully and do not let Saggese get under their skin, it wont matter. For example, even if saggese shows a witness to be a drug user or have some shady past, in an effort to trash their veracity, as long as the witness is truthful and doesnt let themselves be sucked into losing their temper, etc..they will be fine.

The DA will put on a very methodical case. It will be interesting to watch how the defense counters it.

d*

Fair enough…
Now, about the witnesses statements all being hearsay, and that they are unreliable and junkies, well, it may be and they may be, but there are tons of exceptions to the hearsay rule, and I would guess most of what they testified to the GJ will come in one way or another, if not to prove the truth of the statement perhaps, but to show CT and KR’s state of mind at the time.

Knew Them,

No defense case is certainly possible! Its a big gamble though. But it depends on whether the DA really steps on his shvanz during his case…if he does, the defense may just take a seat…I dont think it will happen though.

d*

After reading your sentiments to D*…

You’re the John Amaeche of this board.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

haha.

I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s comments.

I have followed this case from the beginning.

I’m familiar with Mr. Titus from a distance.

He’s a bad person plain and simple.

Having said that, the whole situation is so goddamn dysfunctional.

No disrespect to MJ, but if she were an innocent college girl who moved from Iowa to go to UNLV and was planning on joining the Peace Corp…that would be one thing…point being if you knew nothing about this case and someone told you that a longtime meth addict O’d you’d shrug sadly and accept it…I don’t know exactly what point I’m trying to make other than Saggese will have plenty of opportunities to attack the character of virtually everyone.

You just answered my comment with you’re comment. I was simply saying that we really don’t know nothing yet, meaning that the DA has already put their spin on things they way they see it, whether it is true or not. It very might well be, but we will all have to just wait and see d*. We have heard literally nothing from the defense, and I’m sure we both have seen cases where what we thought was fact from one side, was shocked to see that it wasn’t when the case was presented. Remember d*, I’m so impartial, that I literally could be on the jury, I could careless one way or the other how this turns out, I’m just a rubbernecker.

And d*= no offense is ever taken from you my friend. It’s nice to have these discussions in a civilized manner, even if we do dissagree on somethings, but for the most part, I think we are both heading to the same destination, but just going different ways.

Knew Them:

There is no proof of cause of death, and all witness statements are hearsay and all the witnesses are very undependable and junkies. There is no murder weapon, and there also were lethal doses of 2 kinds of morphine in MJ’s blood as well as previous (massive) methamphetamine use found on her hair.

Sounds like you are on the right track knew them. I would almost say that you have some inside information. Am I correct on that?

The reason given for them leaving may be logical, but their intent was to flee.
Secondly, you havent heard “the evidence” about the murder for hire plot…nobody has…all we have read were newspaper articles and listened to a few phone conversations…and, CT has never been charged with it…

The GJ transcripts might be used as a base to build on, but the trial certainly doesnt ride on what is in them, thats for sure. If it does, your boy is in deep guano…

Yes, I watched the Binion trial, and felt it was much more a failure of the defense to counterpunch that caused the first trial to convict…As for the “real examiners” you mention, Baden is a hired gun who will lie for who ever pays him the money. He never saw dead Ted, nor Lacy Petersons bodies, but he testified as to cause of death in both…Total bullshit. Henry Lee? Another ego maniac hired gun…remember OJ??…and Wecht is just more of the same.

And by the way, I highly doubt we are going to “hear from CT”…if he is dumb enough to take the stand in his own defense he is toast…

Sorry Chain, not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am not the naive one here…

d*

I choose to look at all, whether they are for/against what my gut tells me.

So d*, to not speculate at a very logical reason why they left town ect, without hearing from the defense, and only believing the Pros, would be well, naive. There was a supposed murder for hire plot the DA “said” had happened. I heard the actual evidance with my own 3 ears, and I heard no proof that there was any such plan, so in my mind, all the prosecution is doing at this point is “selling” their story. I’m not buying until I get to hear from all, so at this point, I think they took a chritmas vacation with a new truck, they called police and told them they were going “which the da left out in their press realeases”. Maybe they did this trip quite often to pick up drugs, we don’t know that. It seems plausible. They mentioned nothin about passports, a new truck would obviously be registered, the salesman that sold it to CT said it was a Unique stand out vehicle, not something you would wish to hide out in. It could be anything. Especially after you watching the Binion trial, how can you take anything the DA says at face value. I’m flabbergasted!

Also, the GJ transcripts can and will be used in the trial as previous statements under oath punishable by perjury, you cannot ignore those statements. The medical report is what it is, it more than likely will not change until saggase gets a real examiner to examine the records like dr wecht or lee or baden.

The defense doesnt have to prove diddly. Its all up to the state to prove the case. You are correct that the defense needs to cast enough doubt on the facts and evidence to sway the jury…

I do think the Megan witness will be a powerful one.

d*