Comments on: Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/ Ongoing news as it becomes available related to the murder of Melissa James. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:55:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: related http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-18186 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:43:06 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-18186 Strangerbynow, you are so right!!!! I grew up with him, so I know exactly what you mean. I know he didnt get from his dad thats for sure. It had to be from his mom. Strangerbynow, you are so right!!!! I grew up with him, so I know exactly what you mean. I know he didnt get from his dad thats for sure.
It had to be from his mom.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: wayne mortensen http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-17567 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:23:36 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-17567 HEY there, does CT and KR still have their date with the judicial system? Have they postponed the trial. I have not seen anything about more delays, can anyone give us an update? HEY there, does CT and KR still have their date with the judicial system? Have they postponed the trial. I have not seen anything about more delays, can anyone give us an update?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Strangerbynow http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-17349 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:36:02 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-17349 I knew CT when he was in Jr and Sr high school. He was so arrogant (mostly about himself) then that you could hardly stand him! None of this happening is a great surprise. He thought he was invincible then - why would that change, especially with fame and fortune! It's a shame, but it is what it is. I just hope justice prevails. I knew CT when he was in Jr and Sr high school. He was so arrogant (mostly about himself) then that you could hardly stand him! None of this happening is a great surprise. He thought he was invincible then - why would that change, especially with fame and fortune! It’s a shame, but it is what it is. I just hope justice prevails.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: KNEW THEM http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16999 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:28:45 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16999 I think Court TV said they were going to pick it up. I think Court TV said they were going to pick it up.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: BEACHBANGER http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16986 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:44:55 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16986 I can't wait untill these two are sentenced for the awful crime they committed. Court tv, anyone? I can’t wait untill these two are sentenced for the awful crime they committed. Court tv, anyone?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: larry http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16957 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:50:57 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16957 why would a dead person have to be duct taped. Titus will get his in a jail cell bent over. why would a dead person have to be duct taped. Titus will get his in a jail cell bent over.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16950 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:41:17 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16950 when is this friggin trial starting? when is this friggin trial starting?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16804 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:13:34 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16804 Listen, Just came to my attention. Don't you think CT was maybe cryin in the courtroom because of the previous devilish wave picture to KR in the blog/article preceding this one? Think Saggase brought that up to him and showed him that picture? Listen,

Just came to my attention. Don’t you think CT was maybe cryin in the courtroom because of the previous devilish wave picture to KR in the blog/article preceding this one? Think Saggase brought that up to him and showed him that picture?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16679 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:18:57 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16679 C'mon Chain...Marmite is fantastic, mate! d* C’mon Chain…Marmite is fantastic, mate!

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16650 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:43 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16650 Shock and d* With a name like Chainsaw, you can probably figure out which one it is. A hint, I would not touch marmite! Shock and d*

With a name like Chainsaw, you can probably figure out which one it is. A hint, I would not touch marmite!

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16586 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:13:32 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16586 Shock, I wouldnt know. Chain said it, not me. d* Shock,

I wouldnt know. Chain said it, not me.

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: shockandawe http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16580 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:59:34 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16580 D, Reckon either makes you a hick, or an Englishman. Which is it? ;) Shock D,
Reckon either makes you a hick, or an Englishman. Which is it?
;) Shock

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16331 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:33:37 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16331 d* You sound about right on all of that. I was generally close I reckon. d*

You sound about right on all of that. I was generally close I reckon.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16325 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:00:55 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16325 Chain, Nope, dont think so on your definition. Also, the DA might offer 2nd, but not till later... I think if that happens, the trial will have progressed to the point where murder can or has been proved, but not the level...then the DA may say, look, one way or the other, we got you on murder, its just a matter of whether you want to gamble with what the jury comes back with. I'll offer you second degree, etc., on that count right now, etc..etc... Second degree murder is an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in the heat of passion...or, a killing caused by the offender's dangerous conduct and the obvious lack of concern for human life... Involuntary manslaughter can be similar to your example of vehicular manslaughter, the keys being that the victims death is unintended, and is caused by recklessness...I suppose supplying dangerous drugs to someone who then dies is reckless...but I doubt it rises to the level of second degree murder, although I suppose it could happen... Again, it will come down to how they argue the facts... d* Chain,
Nope, dont think so on your definition.
Also, the DA might offer 2nd, but not till later… I think if that happens, the trial will have progressed to the point where murder can or has been proved, but not the level…then the DA may say, look, one way or the other, we got you on murder, its just a matter of whether you want to gamble with what the jury comes back with. I’ll offer you second degree, etc., on that count right now, etc..etc…

Second degree murder is an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in the heat of passion…or, a killing caused by the offender’s dangerous conduct and the obvious lack of concern for human life…

Involuntary manslaughter can be similar to your example of vehicular manslaughter, the keys being that the victims death is unintended, and is caused by recklessness…I suppose supplying dangerous drugs to someone who then dies is reckless…but I doubt it rises to the level of second degree murder, although I suppose it could happen…

Again, it will come down to how they argue the facts…

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16315 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:44:11 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16315 If an O.D occured while having injesting an illegal substance, I believe it is second degree. You are thinkin of vehicular manslaughter I think. I believe the DA will offer 2nd degree with at least 20 for both. If an O.D occured while having injesting an illegal substance, I believe it is second degree. You are thinkin of vehicular manslaughter I think.

I believe the DA will offer 2nd degree with at least 20 for both.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16313 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:16:59 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16313 Knew Them, Impossible to say what a jury will do. We will just have to wait and see what happens during the trial, and what evidence is presented that we havent heard yet. Remember the Binion jury convicted of first degree murder on very shaky evidence...and the retrial jury acquitted...Juries are unpredictable... Chain, They cant simply plead to 2nd degree murder. Either a deal has to be offered to them that they agree to, or the judge gives the jury the option to find a lesser charge, second degree instead of first, for example. Also, it is not necessarily true that if they are all sitting around doing dope that CT/KR supplied, and MJ OD's that isnt a lock for second degree murder...If they intended her to OD, and planned to that end, it could be first degree...but it could also be involuntary manslaughter...no intent to kill, but where the death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence. If they were fighting, or if there was provocation, then voluntary manslaughter could be found...further, an accident is not second degree muder, period. It all depends on the specific facts that are testified to at the trial that the jury has to to work with. Not to be persnickety, but I do not think we know anything about what this judge will allow in or not, or for what side...It depends completely on the arguments made by the attorneys on a particular issue of law at the time. She cannot simply allow in evidence or testimony without a legal foundation. d* Knew Them,

Impossible to say what a jury will do. We will just have to wait and see what happens during the trial, and what evidence is presented that we havent heard yet. Remember the Binion jury convicted of first degree murder on very shaky evidence…and the retrial jury acquitted…Juries are unpredictable…

Chain,

They cant simply plead to 2nd degree murder. Either a deal has to be offered to them that they agree to, or the judge gives the jury the option to find a lesser charge, second degree instead of first, for example. Also, it is not necessarily true that if they are all sitting around doing dope that CT/KR supplied, and MJ OD’s that isnt a lock for second degree murder…If they intended her to OD, and planned to that end, it could be first degree…but it could also be involuntary manslaughter…no intent to kill, but where the death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

If they were fighting, or if there was provocation, then voluntary manslaughter could be found…further, an accident is not second degree muder, period.

It all depends on the specific facts that are testified to at the trial that the jury has to to work with.

Not to be persnickety, but I do not think we know anything about what this judge will allow in or not, or for what side…It depends completely on the arguments made by the attorneys on a particular issue of law at the time. She cannot simply allow in evidence or testimony without a legal foundation.

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16187 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:36:37 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16187 I Still think they will plea to 2nd degree murder. That means that they didn't plan ahead on killing MJ. For instance If they were all shooting dope, and she OD'd that could be 2nd degree , if they supplied the drugs to MJ. Or if there was a fight, and they (accidentally) killed MJ, that (could) be second degree depending on the circumstances. Knew Them: I don't know, I think a jury will convict, depending on what the judge allows in the trial. From the looks of it, she will allow everything. This trial wont start till next year I bet. I Still think they will plea to 2nd degree murder. That means that they didn’t plan ahead on killing MJ. For instance If they were all shooting dope, and she OD’d that could be 2nd degree , if they supplied the drugs to MJ.

Or if there was a fight, and they (accidentally) killed MJ, that (could) be second degree depending on the circumstances.

Knew Them: I don’t know, I think a jury will convict, depending on what the judge allows in the trial. From the looks of it, she will allow everything. This trial wont start till next year I bet.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: KNEW THEM http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16163 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:20:03 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16163 D* Thanks, I think the jury will not be 12-0 on 1st degree murder....What say U? D* Thanks, I think the jury will not be 12-0 on 1st degree murder….What say U?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16162 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:00:41 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16162 The jury typically cannot ask, but the judge may instruct, at the end of the trial, when giving the jury their instructions before heading off to the jury room to deliberate, on lesser findings, like instead of first degree murder, they could find second degree murder, etc...or maybe manslaughter...but CT / KR will have to overcome the presumption of malice which is inferred in all homicides. They can do this by showing MJ provoked them, or maybe that it was a mutual fight they were in...something like that... No idea what the sentencing guidelines are... d* The jury typically cannot ask, but the judge may instruct, at the end of the trial, when giving the jury their instructions before heading off to the jury room to deliberate, on lesser findings, like instead of first degree murder, they could find second degree murder, etc…or maybe manslaughter…but CT / KR will have to overcome the presumption of malice which is inferred in all homicides. They can do this by showing MJ provoked them, or maybe that it was a mutual fight they were in…something like that…

No idea what the sentencing guidelines are…

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: KNEW THEM http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16149 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:38:03 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16149 Does anyone know if a jury can ask a judge(in Nevada) if they can convict of a lesser charge that has not been brought by the DA? I don't think they are going to be 12-0 on the first degree murder charge, but a manslaughter charge yes 12-0. What is the max. on that in Nevada? Does anyone know if a jury can ask a judge(in Nevada) if they can convict of a lesser charge that has not been brought by the DA? I don’t think they are going to be 12-0 on the first degree murder charge, but a manslaughter charge yes 12-0. What is the max. on that in Nevada?

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16111 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:10:33 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16111 I'm wondering if the LVMP had scanned CT's elbow to see if he is hiding something in there. Now that could warrent an extraction from his cell, and a strip and cavity search! I’m wondering if the LVMP had scanned CT’s elbow to see if he is hiding something in there. Now that could warrent an extraction from his cell, and a strip and cavity search!

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16089 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:13:16 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16089 Chain, I hear you...I just wish the damn trial would begin so we can get to the real drama... d* Chain,

I hear you…I just wish the damn trial would begin so we can get to the real drama…

d*

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Chainsaw http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16026 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:33:31 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16026 d* Unfortunately the GJ transcrips are all we have to go on now.. I'm not emotionally involved in this at all, I just look at the evidence we have at this time. When more comes out, my opinion may change to either side. I'm not really partial. The coin has 2 sides. d*

Unfortunately the GJ transcrips are all we have to go on now..
I’m not emotionally involved in this at all, I just look at the evidence
we have at this time. When more comes out, my opinion may change to
either side. I’m not really partial. The coin has 2 sides.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: Platter (rectangular) http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16007 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:09:00 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-16007 Kelly sticking with Craig means she is at least as guilty of the act of killing MJ as he is. Craig not ratting out Kelly means either that he participated in the actual killing (which makes him equally guilty) or that he didn't participate in the killing but UP TO NOW feels obliged to stick with his wife for some reason. It could be his feeling that this tragedy is "all his fault" (he brought MJ to their home and betrayed Kelly with her, which made Kelly freak out) and the fact that he wanted to play hero for Kelly (by burning the body in their car, making it look like something like a rape) and noticing afterwards that this was an extremely stupid idea that didn't help them in any way but made their situation much worse. Kelly sticking with Craig means she is at least as guilty of the act of killing MJ as he is.

Craig not ratting out Kelly means either that he participated in the actual killing (which makes him equally guilty) or that he didn’t participate in the killing but UP TO NOW feels obliged to stick with his wife for some reason. It could be his feeling that this tragedy is “all his fault” (he brought MJ to their home and betrayed Kelly with her, which made Kelly freak out) and the fact that he wanted to play hero for Kelly (by burning the body in their car, making it look like something like a rape) and noticing afterwards that this was an extremely stupid idea that didn’t help them in any way but made their situation much worse.

]]> Comment on Titus breaks down in court - Ryan with graying hair by: darkstar http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-15998 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:34:54 +0000 http://www.titusandryan.com/2007/02/28/titus-breaks-down-in-court-ryan-with-graying-hair/#comment-15998 Chain, All I am saying is that I think you are drawing some conlusions that are more emotional than factual. We havent seen or heard the bulk of the evidence yet...the GJ transcripts are only a small glimmer of what the DA will have to prove. We are all being somewhat presumptuous as to what happened, and the theories being discussed here are entertaining but we will all likely be surprised at what actually happens during the trial. d* Chain,

All I am saying is that I think you are drawing some conlusions that are more emotional than factual.

We havent seen or heard the bulk of the evidence yet…the GJ transcripts are only a small glimmer of what the DA will have to prove.

We are all being somewhat presumptuous as to what happened, and the theories being discussed here are entertaining but we will all likely be surprised at what actually happens during the trial.

d*

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