I agree totally. Mr. Ryan is stuck between a Kelly and Craig. As long as she and CT are paired up for their defense, Mr. Ryan is screwed. Im sure he would pay for her defense, but I bet he is saying “I’ll be god dammed if I will defend that fucker CT who ruined my daughters life, etc, etc…
DEnue was on the right track. Too bad he wasnt allowed to continue.

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When was the last time any of us heard the truth about this? Ummm..never? Remember, it was Craig who said that about her dad. And if Kelly has said anything, it’s sickly driven and motivated and usually in favor and defense of Titus, rather than her own father even.

Just because they claim to be broke, doesn’t mean the judge has taken Mr. Ryan aside and said, “Sir, are you NOT willing to help your daughter financially here?” Of course, that has not happened.

I just think people’s speculation over where there is money is skewed by Titus. He wants people to think he’s a hero and her OWN DAD is some kind of demon! C’mon! He’s a successful guy who raised a family and is wealthy. He was still good friends with Kelly’s mom whom he had divorced years earlier - in fact her death was a crushing blow. Do you honestly think that Mr. Ryan is denying his DAUGHTER money? NO.

But I would bet that he is denying it if she INSISTS on pairing her defense efforts with Craig. Her unwillingness to let that go and take care of herself, finally, and see what a schmuck Titus is, and how he’s ruined her life, is probably MIND BOGGLING to her dad. It would be to me. It IS to me - I used to be great friends with her and this is unfathomable.

I get the whole “she isn’t rolling because she’s guiltier and he could rat on her too” deal… and maybe that IS it. But, I suspect that Mr. Ryan, no matter who is guilty, wants to have that money go to HER, and not her ne’er-do-well husband whom he forbid her to marry and said he would bless or accept, and that if she did, he would turn his back on her.

In the end, I still don’t believe he’s turned his back on his daughter - just if she refuses to separate from him. Which, in many ways, I don’t udnerstand because they will never ever hold one another again, or visit with one another or have a life togehter - that has ended forevermore.

There are ways of separating your defense without rolling on Titus. All she has to do is focus on how her life is NOTHING like it once was, and that is due to her involvement with Titus. Influence is a BIG BIG thing in courtrooms. It is risky, but it is a risk worth taking and I believe that is precisely the defense that Denue wanted to give to her.

Anyway, just my two cents.

They gotta be broke. I dont see any way they couldnt be.

The question is, will Saggese and who ever ends up defending KR work for free?

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OK, but that gets you to where? Either you are broke or you arent. If you cry poverty when you really are not, and then get state money to buy experts or pay lawyers, that sounds like fraud to me…

I would like to know what their legal bils are so far…I bet it is hundreds of thousands…remember this has been going on for way over a year so far…

I bet they are about tapped out…

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All I have to say is pump-fake. Say you can’t, but you really can.

Chain: It’s been made very clear that Ryan is broke, cannot afford an attorney and her own father refuses to pay one dime toward her defense.

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They will appeal it anyway if she doesn’t get to use him.

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If she (can) pay him, she should be able to get anyone she wants, Period.

The quote is on the mark, Ryan is an idiot who is under the dillusional spell of her devil of a husband. Her jailhouse conversion to Christianity doesn’t fool anyone, it’s been done a few times before and juries just don’t buy it anymore.

What the hell, are you some kind of attorney stalker??

Just because you, who is NOT a client of Denue’s, cannot contact him doesnt mean shit. Do you seriously believe that KR didnt have Denue’s phone, cell, blackberry, whatever, numbers? Its not exactly like she has her own private phone line…

It is highly unlikely that he purposely didnt return calls……

His comments may have been in court, but it wasnt during the trial, and not in front of a jury…he was simply sticking up for his client. That IS his responsilbility, and he appears to have been vigourously defending her.

Too bad she sees it differently. Her loss.

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My opinion is that Mr. Denews’ remarks in open court or to the press were unprofessional and prejudicial to Ryan and Titus. At this time he is the attorney of record for Ryan and has responsibilites.

You call Mr. Deune and see if you can get him to answer. As I explained, I only tried to make contact with Mr. Denue and could not.

I think he is right about Kelly as well…She is taking a big risk doing what she is doing. I also believe he had her best interests in mind strategy wise. She may well regret her decision.

As for Serra, well, he is currently in the Federal pen in California for tax evasion. He may be out by now, but thats where he has been recently.

He has had some success as an attorney, but he is different for sure. It plays well in Northern California, but he is not everyone’s cup of tea. I also believe it was the evidence, or lack thereof, in the Binion case that was the biggest factor in the not guilty verdicts. That, and a jury who used their common sense and brains, not the “compelling” theatrics of Serra, et al…

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I did find it interesting that Denue was STILL looking out for the interests of his client, despite her wanting to oust him as her defense attorney- filing

~ Denue also suggested Ryan’s best defense was to separate her case from Titus, something she has refused to do.

~ Denue also filed a motion Tuesday to have Saggese disqualified from the case, saying Saggese’s many visits to Ryan in jail, which are not protected by attorney-client privilege, could make Saggese a witness.

~ Denue said Ryan will be getting a new lawyer no matter which way the state’s highest court goes because Denue plans to withdraw because RYAN LACKS FAITH IN HIM

I see this last statement of Denue’s an indication that he was probably willing to help Kelly defend herself with very little money, and that losing faith was the last straw.

REMEMBER, Denue has acted many times in high profile cases as a PUBLIC DEFENDER of heinous murderers. This being just another of those.

Hanging out with animals like Walker, Titus and Ryan must be depressing and soul-destroying.

Denue said he found Serra’s mannerisms to be odd.

“I don’t know if that sort of hippie routine will work on the road in Vegas,” Denue said. “He just looks different, and he was so theatrical. His hands were moving, and it looked like he was putting a spell on the jury, so if they come back with a guilty verdict, they are all going to turn into lizards.

“I was thinking, this is like something out of `Macbeth,’ ” Denue said.

He is diametrically opposed to the kind of defense that Sagesse and Christalli are likely to stage - which is in legal circles, admittedly risky and showboating. If it works, it works, it not it is abyssmal for a client.

Here, Denue is quoted about Tabish’s attorney, Serra, which gives you a birdseye view into his view on courtroom antics:

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I just think that Kelly is a total idiot who is truly mentally deranged if she thinks that Titus is going to save her or by not turning on him, it’s going to help her.

But I must say, in the single letter that we exchanged from prison, in wishing her Happy Birthday this past July, she did sound like she felt so much faith in God, that she was resigned to anything happening.

Then, reading the part about Sagesse stating that Ryan was desperate and crying, it made me think, “She is scared, but she’s being snowed and controlled ONCE AGAIN by Titus and the man who is just like Titus, but works within the law. Titus and Sagesse are twins separated at birth.

SAD.

Kelly’s present attorney, Greg Denue can not be contacted. It’s no wonder she doesn’t want him to represent her.

Attorney Greg Denue sounds like a real class act. You may understand Kellys frustration if she has the same problem contacting attorney Denue as I just experienced. There is no listing with information and his listing in the new Las Vegas telephone directory is disconected.

Just for the record, I believe that if these are the attorneys Titus and Ryan have chosen to represent them and have “by rule” signed the wavers, I personally do not believe that leaving a decision such as this to “the discretion” of the judge. This leaves too much room for error and or personality conflicts, should one exist. A new law or rule may now be forth comming from the Nevada Supreme Court.

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