In regard to Kelly, you say that, “She is now so into God, it’s not even funny… scriptures all over the letter in colored pencil and such. It’s really hard to see - not because I’m against God, but because I just can’t relate to her that way.”

I’m not surprised that your shocked about this considering that God’s word clearly states:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:14 (KJV)

Regards,
Dennis L. Bates
Muscle Missions

no doubt in my mind ct is a sociopath with probably a narcisstic personality disorder and kr just suffers from low self esteem. The two personalities seem to feed off each other which would explain kr’s professed loyalty to this point. Although I think she will turn on him at the very last minute.

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I actually don’t think she will, to her detriment. She wrote me a letter in response to me writing her (after agonizing for months about whether I should contact someone who used to be a good friend, but who is now unrecognizable - is it a smart thing to do? etc..) and I think she feels more committed than ever, oddly. Which tells me a few things…

I honestly think she will go down for him, OR, more likely, in my heart of hearts, because of what I know about her history, he may be taking the fall for her, actually, because he feels badly about his affair with MJ and that Kelly would never be in prison now if it weren’t for that….

But I believe she is not going to fight the good fight herself and has resigned herself to living her life in prison. She is now so into God, it’s not even funny… scriptures all over the letter in colored pencil and such. It’s really hard to see - not because I’m against God, but because I just can’t relate to her that way. We used to party together (lightly, not in Titus’ way) in Hollywood and around Santa Monica in the good days, and I just can’t imagine her quoting scripture. But, whatever helps people get through… I dunno. It’s all just really odd.

But you’re right about Kelly’s self-esteem. It’s suffered badly for years, far before Craig, but she was never a burnout, drug addled, wife-swapping girl when I knew her and that’s the only influence I blame on Craig - she fell further down the scale and it apparently was far too far to come back on her own.

I do realize she always had the right to leave “in theory”.. However, I just don’t think it’s that easy for someone who’s rock bottom in self-esteem. So it’s a double bind.

Sorry for the long winded response.

I’ve seen many pro guest posers (including our hero) for amateur shows back in the late 90’s have their training partners or girlfriends (including our heroine) inject this drug as well as many shows in Hawaii, Vegas, San Diego and LA.

After Momo and a few others dropped dead backstage the use of lasix went down a bit but other diuretics were extremely popular.

Many ‘natural’ competitors used this because they ‘considered’ this not to be classified as steroids therefore they believed they were drug free. Many a trophy has been stolen in naturals by competitors using this agent (still can’t remember the name, hope someone here does).

I didn’t say that the use of steroids tranitioned anyone into a killer however it is a fact that many ‘accidental’ deaths have occurred as a result of the loss of self control that steroids promote. Not too sure if that was the case with Craig because it is well known that he had no self control.

Unless you have had personal experience with steroid use, you can’t say that roid rage is a myth. I can recall becoming outraged by merely allowing my thoughts to wander into areas that I knew would piss me off and suddenly I had temporarily lost control.

It is now over 16 years since steroid use and 5 years after leaving bodybuilding and it’s oddities behind, I am healthier, happier and more financially secure than if I had remained in it. Still have the trophies, the photos, the videos and the memories.

As for the apology, not needed but very much appreciated, thanks. I consider the hatchet now buried. I will do my part to co-exist with everyone here, enjoy your weekend.

Re: the latest, this attorney’s best bet is to preserve his professional reputation and pull out while he can still hold his head up in the courtroom.

Saggese probably will quit. He actually looked like a decent lawyer. To taint his rep by a sure fire lose case like this is not good.

CT’s lawyer must be pulling his hair out…

Saggese clearly cant control what CT says or does…if I was him I’d probably bolt…

d*

I just read the article…hilarious…
I thought the comments from Gross’ lawyer Palazzo about CT were funny as hell…”This guy (Titus) doesn’t understand the first rule of hole digging: Put the shovel down and stop digging,” Palazzo said. “It’s amazing with this guy. The hits just keep on coming.”

And this from Daskas: “Back on December 24, 2005, Titus himself admitted to detectives that it was he, Craig Titus, who wrapped the duct tape around Melissa James’ head,” Daskas said. “Therefore, the notion that Anthony Gross did this is laughable. Mr. Titus’ most recent explanation reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain: ‘If you tell the truth, you’ll always remember what you said.’ Craig Titus can’t keep his stories straight.”

This just keeps getting better and better…

d*

Wait till you read the article. It is ridiculous. CT is definately grasping onto anything he can. The guy that he says will testify about this isn’t even in jail anymore. He’s been released. We’ll have to see if he will testify now that he’s free.

That’s a hoot…I think CT is getting desperate, eh?

Gross spent hardly any time in jail, because as we know, he bailed out from the get go. Seems to me whoever this person is that Gross supposedly said all this to will have to pass the cred test…

Also, wasnt it KR who said that CT said to her “no body, no crime”?? I recall that it was CT who said this, but I cant remember who he said it to or who said he said it to them…if that makes sense…

Sounds like just another moron who is angling to get their 15 seconds of fame….

d*

Long story short, recently, Craig reached out to certain people in the BIZ for support & asked for donations for his legal fees! Imagine the balls on this guy? He bites the hand that feeds him then asks for seconds? I’m sure the good people at Physique Bodyware are sending their check as you read this! It’s about Character, weather you’re guilty or innocent only God knows for sure! so Craig, take this spare time you have between all the alleged wife swapping, after hour parties and rec drug use to think about what you did or did not do!

I have never been in a BB competition but isnt bullying and/or mind games w/the competition a part of BB competitions?

no doubt in my mind ct is a sociopath with probably a narcisstic personality disorder and kr just suffers from low self esteem. The two personalities seem to feed off each other which would explain kr’s professed loyalty to this point. Although I think she will turn on him at the very last minute. Personal question but for more insight would you mind sharing why you did drugs and what type you did?

You are also correct in that my past exposure gives me an insight. When you see guys receiving multiple injections backstage just prior to going onstage, the roid rage with no control, best friends nearly killing each other over nothing, you know the rest.

My guess is gym rat is drug free now but was not at one time. thus, probably some good insight about actual drug use and BB. Knew them, well he knew them also so interesting insight there. I dont think I have seen anyone attention seeking, other than ray. So dont be so sensative and dont be a ray.

I would like to know from the gym rat, if you think ct/kr did kill mj and if so why do you think they did it? also since knew them never proclaimed their guilt or innocence, I am dying for you to do so now since you did know them.

Sounds as if you suffer from the same “issues” as CT, you don’t have a personal assistant by any chance I hope.

I appreciate how you and others (including myself) pass the time speculating, it’s interesting news, kind of like a car crash where you slow down to look at the tragedy in another person’s life while appreciating at the same time that it is not your own personal tragedy.

I was merely generalizing how many people claim to be close to the Titus’ after the fact, I meant no ill will it’s merely a coincidence that you chose “Knew Them” and chose to be offended and also chose to react emotionally. I can’t speak for d* and chainsaw but if I were them I wouldn’t appreciate your bringing my name into a cyber squabble.

Peace out.

I dont want to speak for Knew Them or Chainsaw or anyone else, but I think it is safe to say the biggest general question underlying all the rest of the discussions here is:

WHAT THE F WERE THEY THINKING???

I doubt many people feel sorry for them, but that doesnt mean people arent bewildered by how someone could get themselves in such a jam, for no good reason…

If anything, there is a big interest in exploring how people can go from hero (well, kind of) to zero in a Las Vegas minute…fascinating stuff to watch unfold…Its a diversion that takes a tiny fraction of my time, and I get a kick out of BS’ing about it with the folks here…thats about it…Im certainly not obsessed with CT or KR…hell, I never heard of them before all this happened…its an intriguing story, thats all…

d*

I knew neither of them but did see them in the circles I was in and can say they both ended up where I expected them to.

Quit sucking up to these two in proxy and get a grip on reality. No one gives a shit who knew them or didn’t anyway. You only project the image of a pathetic starstruck wannabe who never gets noticed and this is your opportunity to get recognition.